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Richard Deane

That's not a list I want to be stuck in front of. Not that anything will last long if stuck in front of it.

Sometimes subtle isn't necessary. So long as there's enough flexibility to adapt, which is all those tokens and engine techs I suspect you will have.

Alex

I'm leaning more toward the Neb list just because its more fun/ wheels out the Nebs!

Richard Deane

You're welcome to play whatever you like on the day.

Alex

Came up with this as a Konstantine counter/ super flexible list for other admirals - allows speed changes of up to three levels per turn!

[ REBEL FLEET (382 points)
1 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Mon Mothma - Major Derlin - Ordnance Experts - Assault Proton Torpedoes - XI7 Turbolasers - Foresight (123)
2 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Walex Blissex - Ordnance Experts - Assault Proton Torpedoes - XI7 Turbolasers - Admonition (91)
3 • Modified Pelta-class Assault Ship - Raymus Antilles - Engine Techs - Entrapment Formation! - External Racks (79)
4 • CR90 Corellian Corvette B - Leading Shots - Dodonna's Pride (49)
5 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Comms Net (20)
6 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Comms Net (20)

Richard Deane

What you're saying is that I need slicer tools?

Joking aside the list looks a very effective counter to Konstantine. I must admit that I'm leaning back towards my original build with an ISD and interdictor backed up by a swarm of squadrons. I'd forgotten that the big benefit we'd found with that build was because the squadrons were often rogue and sort of countered the activation advantage you usually had over the fleet.

Richard Deane

Been looking at Sloane again. Noticed an odd interaction that's got me wondering if it reads right. Back to stations and ending moves on it. However instead of ships this is in regards to squadrons.

Phantoms can move at the end of the squadron phase due to their cloak rule. By the letter of the rule if they do so and end on a station does this mean they heal? Relatedly do this also apply if you move squadrons due to squall and/or fighter co-ordination team? Seems a bit...abusable...

Alex

Maybe one for the rules forum but looking at the timings it seems fine? Move with Squall to regenerate one point... then Fighter Co.Team to move off, then Phantom them back on for another point. Abusable but also hard to set up (needs Squall, FC Team and Phantoms, plus the squadron battle happening almost on the station).

Dissertation woes are bearing down on me this week but can squeeze in a single game if you can?

Alex

Looking to field something along the lines of this:

REBEL FLEET (386 points)
1 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Mon Mothma - Lando Calrissian - Ordnance Experts - Assault Proton Torpedoes - XI7 Turbolasers - Foresight (120)
2 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Walex Blissex - Ordnance Experts - Assault Proton Torpedoes - XI7 Turbolasers - Admonition (91)
3 • Modified Pelta-class Assault Ship - Raymus Antilles - Entrapment Formation! (68)
4 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Comms Net (20)
5 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Comms Net (20)
6 • GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
7 • CR90 Corellian Corvette B - Leading Shots - Dodonna's Pride (49)

Or this:

[ REBEL FLEET (387 points)
1 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - General Cracken - Ordnance Experts - Assault Proton Torpedoes - XI7 Turbolasers - Foresight (112)
2 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Walex Blissex - Ordnance Experts - Assault Proton Torpedoes - XI7 Turbolasers - Admonition (91)
3 • Modified Pelta-class Assault Ship - Raymus Antilles - Entrapment Formation! - External Racks (71)
4 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Slicer Tools (25)
5 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Comms Net (20)
6 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Comms Net (20)
7 • Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette - Cham Syndulla - External Racks - Garel's Honor (48)

Richard Deane

Sorry to hear that the dissertation could be going better. I'm up got a game if you want though.

The lists look quite interesting. The complete opposite of what I've been playing around with. Could make for an interesting conflict.

One's a Konstantine list and the other is Sloane.

ISD2 with Admiral Konstantine, relentless title, Admiral Montferrat, Gunnery teams, electronic countermeasures and XI7 turbo-lasers

Interdictor with Interdictor title, G-8 experimental projector and grav-shift reroute.

7x Firespray-31s

Missions for the above are Precision strike, fighter ambush and dangerous territory.

Second lists is:

ISD2 with Admiral Sloane, wing commander, avenger title, gunnery teams, expanded hanger bay, electronic countermeasures, spinal armament and MS-1 ion cannons

Quasar-Fire1 with stronghold title, minister Tua, electronic countermeasures, expanded hanger bay, boosted comms and flight controllers.

Howlrunner
Major Rhymer
4x Tie interceptors
4x Tie phantoms

Missions for this one are Station assault, fighter ambush and superior positions.

Both lists are 400pts on the dot.

Domo

Having chatted with Rich at the end of the night, I am very much interested in the giant game in a couple of weeks :)

I will be leading 400pts of Vader fleet! List to come at some point...

:: Aspect of Aleph ::
Playing:
Infinity WarmaHordes Batman/Marvel
Star Wars X-Wing/Armada

Richard Deane

I have already come up with an initial build for Jerjerrod's 400pt fleet. Currently it is as follows.

Interdictor with interdictor title, projection experts, grav shift reroute and targeting scrambler
Gozanti with repair crews
4x Arquiten light cruisers with turbo-laser reroute circuits.

Domo

Alex, Do you have 1 or 2 ISD's?

:: Aspect of Aleph ::
Playing:
Infinity WarmaHordes Batman/Marvel
Star Wars X-Wing/Armada

Richard Deane

He has 2 ISDs.

Alex

Hi, sorry for late reply, as per Rich!

This is roughly what Im doing for Dodonna (crit machines!) who will doing the heavy lifting for the whole fleet:

[ REBEL FLEET (384 points)
1 • MC80 Battle Cruiser - General Dodonna - Raymus Antilles - Gunnery Team - Engine Techs - Leading Shots - Spinal Armament - XX-9 Turbolasers (163)
2 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Ordnance Experts - Assault Proton Torpedoes - XI7 Turbolasers - Admonition (86)
3 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Ordnance Experts - Assault Proton Torpedoes - XI7 Turbolasers - Foresight (86)
4 • CR90 Corellian Corvette B - Leading Shots - Dodonna's Pride (49)

Still toying with the Rieekan fleet - hard to build around "whats dies well?" ha ha

Domo

Hmmmm, simple and (hopefully) effective....

[ EMPIRE FLEET (400 points)
1 • Imperial II-class Star Destroyer - Darth Vader - Captain Needa - Leading Shots - Relentless (165)
2 • Imperial I-class Star Destroyer - Devastator (120)
3 • Imperial I-class Star Destroyer - Avenger (115)

:: Aspect of Aleph ::
Playing:
Infinity WarmaHordes Batman/Marvel
Star Wars X-Wing/Armada

Alex

Im thinking Rieekan Zombie cruiser for the second fleet, a la:

[ REBEL FLEET (396 points)
1 • MC80 Assault Cruiser - General Rieekan - Walex Blissex - Engineering Team - Electronic Countermeasures - Reinforced Blast Doors - Leading Shots - XI7 Turbolasers - Defiance (181)
2 • Modified Pelta-class Assault Ship - Lando Calrissian - Projection Experts - Shields to Maximum! - Expanded Launchers (85)
3 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Comms Net - Phylon Q7 Tractor Beams (26)
4 • Nebulon-B Support Refit - Intel Officer - Projection Experts - Spinal Armament - Redemption (81)
5 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Leia Organa - Comms Net (23

Im not completely sold on it yet, but engineering 6 for the cruiser with potentially 5 bonus shields a turn could be fun.

Loving the Evading ISD btw Dom! :D

Domo

Vader happens to have a nimble helmsman.... who knew? :P

:: Aspect of Aleph ::
Playing:
Infinity WarmaHordes Batman/Marvel
Star Wars X-Wing/Armada

Alex

Okay, may change up my Rieekan fleet to a classic aces fighter swarm with some Yavaris on the side:

[ REBEL FLEET (393 points)
1 • Luke Skywalker X-wing Squadron (20)
2 • Norra Wexley Y-wing Squadron (17)
3 • Nym Havoc (21)
4 • Jan Ors Moldy Crow (19)
5 • Y-wing Squadron (10)
6 • Y-wing Squadron (10)
7 • Y-wing Squadron (10)
8 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Adar Tallon - Boosted Comms (32)
9 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Bomber Command Center - Boosted Comms (30)
10 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Comms Net - Boosted Comms (24)
11 • Nebulon-B Escort Frigate - Flight Commander - Yavaris (65)
12 • Modified Pelta-class Command Ship - General Rieekan - Lando Calrissian - Engine Techs - All Fighters, Follow Me! - Boosted Comms (111)
13 • Dash Rendar Outrider (24)

Alex

After the game last night ive a got a few new ideas for Rieekan and Dodonna, however would like to suggest we another 50 pts to each fleet, making it a 900 total? Would add a little to the epic-ness and not too much to the time (we're pretty proficient when it comes to set up and play), plus allow for some more unusual combos - plus if nothing else the ISDs could do with some more kit!

Tuesday the 5th for a game?

Richard Deane

That all sounds fine and I don't mind pushing it up to 450pts per fleet. If Dom is okay bringing in his ISD then I will more than likely stick with that glorious obscenity. I have a pretty good idea about what upgrades I want on them already. The Jerjerrod list might see some significant tweaks as well.

Alex

Awesome. Ive already dropped the Lib from the Dodonna list (on a table that full its existence becomes very precarious!) and the Pelta from the Rieekan list in favour of a Space Potato :D

Richard Deane

Sounds interesting. I'm using the extra points in the Jerjerrod list to get some squadrons. Need some rogues.

Probably not making too many changes to the lists besides that and even with 50 extra points the ISDs eat them up quickly.

Alex

Quick point to note on Squadrons: as per the book, you can have a third of your points on squadrons, so 150.

Alex

New wave article online! Thrawn for Imps with a new fancy ISD plus new cards and the Rogue One big ship with Admiral Raddus for the Rebs. Both have great rules!

Richard Deane

Sounds interesting. I'm not very well read concerning the Star wars background so Thrawn and Raddus are most unknown to me. I am aware that Thrawn has blue skin but that's about it.

Was still getting to grips with Sloane to be honest. I think there's quite a lot more fun to be explored with her around that core of interceptors and phantoms.

Richard Deane

Got a fair idea of what I want to put down for the Vader half of the list. Still going with 3 ISDs but the extra points means there are some toys on each.

ISD II with Vader, Admiral Montferrat, Gunnery teams, quad laser turrets, electronic countermeasures, overload pulse and XI7 turbo-lasers

ISD I with Avenger title, agent Kallus, quad laser turrets, boarding troopers and XI7 turbo-lasers
ISD I with quad laser turrets, boarding troopers and XI7 turbo-lasers

I'll post up the Jerjerrod half once I'm happy with it but there's a lot more tweaking I'm looking at for that list.

Richard Deane

As promised, here is the Jerjerrod half of the fleet.

Interdictor with interdictor title, Jerjerrod, Wulff Yularen, projection experts, targeting scrambler, grav shift reroute
4x Arquiten light cruisers with turbo laser re-route circuits.
3x aggressor assault fighters
IG-88

Missions for the two fleets are station assault, dangerous terrain and capture the VIP.

Alex

Sorry for delay,

Here's my Dodonna Fleet:

[ REBEL FLEET (435 points)
1 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Major Derlin - Ordnance Experts - Reinforced Blast Doors - Assault Proton Torpedoes - XI7 Turbolasers - Foresight (98)
2 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - General Dodonna - Walex Blissex - Ordnance Experts - Advanced Projectors - Assault Proton Torpedoes - XI7 Turbolasers - Admonition (117)
3 • MC30c Torpedo Frigate - Lando Calrissian - Ordnance Experts - Advanced Projectors - Assault Proton Torpedoes - H9 Turbolasers (90)
4 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Boosted Comms (22)
5 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Toryn Farr - Comms Net - Boosted Comms (31)
6 • Shara Bey A-wing Squadron (17)
7 • Tycho Celchu A-wing Squadron (16)
8 • A-wing Squadron (11)
9 • A-wing Squadron (11)
10 • A-wing Squadron (11)
11 • A-wing Squadron (11)

Alex

And here's Rieekan!

[ REBEL FLEET (448 points)
1 • Assault Frigate Mark II B - General Rieekan - Adar Tallon - Flight Controllers - Expanded Hangar Bay - Electronic Countermeasures (130)
2 • Modified Pelta-class Command Ship - Raymus Antilles - All Fighters, Follow Me! - Boosted Comms (76)
3 • GR-75 Medium Transports - Bomber Command Center - Boosted Comms (30)
4 • Nebulon-B Escort Frigate - Flight Commander - Fighter Coordination Team - Yavaris (68)
5 • Luke Skywalker X-wing Squadron (20)
6 • Norra Wexley Y-wing Squadron (17)
7 • Biggs Darklighter X-wing Squadron (19)
8 • YT-1300 (13)
9 • Y-wing Squadron (10)
10 • Jan Ors Moldy Crow (19)
11 • Y-wing Squadron (10)
12 • Y-wing Squadron (10)
13 • X-wing Squadron (13)
14 • X-wing Squadron (13)

Richard Deane

In spite of us having almost the same number of ships I feel terribly outnumbered by all those squadrons. Going to have be careful with my tiny little mob of aggressors. Going to be interesting for sure.

Been looking at those new ISDs that are coming out with Thrawn and they do look very nice indeed. Although I'm not sure if the imperials needed access to fleet command cards. It's not as if their squadrons are slow or their ships need to recover shields automatically. I can see Jerjerrod liking that one a lot!

Alex

I think its great they've added variety to the ISDs, but agreed, not sure i agree with the Imps getting fleet command. Though im looking forward to the new "intensify firepower!" command!

Richard Deane

What does that do?

Alex

Not entirely sure yet, wasn't fully spoiled, only that it is a fleet command. Speculation is ranging from fleet wide Concentrated Fire (maybe too powerful) to fleet wide rerolls (maybe not powerful enough) with bonuses for anti squadron fire being mooted. Hopefully get a preview this month sometime (and a spoil of the MC75 stats).

Richard Deane

Thanks a lot for the big game last night. It was epic seeing all those ships on the table, not to mention the somewhat inspirational sight of that ISD holding out for so long against all those squadrons. Very grateful to have been given the opportunity to play such a grand battle.

Alex

No worries and thank you! Love the epic games, is "proper" Star Wars, especially the ISD vs squadrons moment!

Richard Deane

Alex, did you want one more evening of Armada at the inquisition?